Re: [請益]美國徹底意識到要全力對抗共產勢力是何時

※ 引述《sanae0307 (防空棲姬人柱力)》之銘言： : 最早確立反共已經是1957 : 這時美蘇才算完全決裂 : 在此之前，美國一直都不仇蘇、不反共 : 或者說比起反共，反帝更加優先 : 美國肢解殖民主義、帝國主義的目標一直都是很明確的 : 打完軸心國後 : 接著就是對英法荷等殖民主下手 : 在1945-1957，世界是三分天下 : 美國為主的新勢力、蘇聯的共產勢力 : 以及以英國為首的舊帝國勢力 : 美國在這段期間很明顯是聯蘇反帝 : 只要共產勢力沒有太出格行為 : 優先對付對象依然是英國 : 1956運河危機，英法都以為美國會因為反蘇反共挺他們 : 結果美國卻是跟蘇聯一起逼退英法 : 只要舊帝國不倒，共產勢力永遠都不是美國頭號敵人 : 題外話：美國戰間期的戰爭計劃 : 對德戰爭和對蘇戰爭次序非常後面 : 反而對殖民帝國的攻擊計劃非常優先 : 尤其是對英國 : 不列顛、愛爾蘭、加拿大、紐澳都有專門對應線 : 還考慮了日本作為英國側翼參戰，美國需要同時對付不列顛帝國+大日本帝國的兩面開戰 你能舉證資料嗎 美國針對極權主義與蘇聯的全面對抗 在1947就開始 然後就是逐漸上升的過程 以下都是國務院的資料 1. Truman Doctrin, 1947 https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/truman-doctrine President Harry S. Truman established that the United States would provide political, military and economic assistance to all democratic nations under threat from external or internal authoritarian forces. 杜魯門總統1947年3月於國會發表演講 政策轉向 國務院於5月解除對華禁運 2. Kennan and Containment, 1947 https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/kennan “The main element of any United States policy toward the Soviet Union,” Kennan wrote, “must be that of a long-term, patient but firm and vigilant containment of Russian expansive tendencies.” To that end, he called for countering “Soviet pressure against the free institutions of the Western world” through the “adroit and vigilant application of counter-force at a series of constantly shifting geographical and political points, corresponding to the shifts and maneuvers of Soviet policy.” 事實上, 他還是比較溫和的, Kennan支持containment跟給予外國經濟上的援助 而有些人卻覺得應該更offensive, 解放被共產黨支配的國家 以及在軍事上對抗共產黨 --- 最後講一下美國對華援助的事情 其實美國朝野一直都同意中國共產黨在中國的擴張不利於美國 國務院甚至曾考慮將滿州國列為聯合國託管 阻止蘇聯擴張以及讓蔣收縮兵力 美國對華援助有所遲疑的原因主 要分為1947 (禁運期間) 跟 1948來看 1947禁運結束前 國務院高估了ROCer的實力 這裡出自國務院的memorandum https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1947v07/d617 It would be manifestly unrealistic to withhold arms from National Government forces if such action condemned them to a degree of military anemia which would make possible a successful offensive by the Communist forces. However, it is not believed that our withholding arms will result in such an eventuality in the coming months. It might result in the immobilization of some of the National Army’s modern American equipment, but it is believed that Chiang16 has, and can get from sources within the country, a sufficient amount of small arms and ammunition to enable him to withstand a general Communist offensive in the unlikely event that one is undertaken. 1948以後美國已充分認識ROC廢到笑的事實 這時對華援助遲疑的原因變成 1. ROCer爛泥糊不上牆 會浪費美國的資源 2. 若太過投入 會公親變事主 排擠美國在西歐跟柏林對抗蘇聯的資源 以下是1948年6月7號國務院的memorandum https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1948v08/d83 "...the mere provision of military equipment would not achieve the defeat of the Communists since the U. S. had already transferred considerable quantities of such equipment. I continued that this equipment and the divisions handling it had been misused by Chinese leadership. I further noted that the recent appointments of high military officers, such as the Chief of Staff,37 indicated no improvement in the quality of Chinese military commanders and that to compensate for this lack of leadership it would be necessary to send to China large numbers of U. S. officers, not now available. This would result in the U. S. assuming responsibility for the Chinese Government’s war effort" 當初的考量點就是資源投入到歐洲 會有收穫 能擋下蘇聯 投入到中國 可能只有短期效果 最後浪費 從事後(現在)來看 美國解套的辦法就是對蘇聯或中共動用核武 但真要歸咎 就是ROCer的祖先廢到笑導致的 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 185.189.163.181 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/historia/M.1712950561.A.198.html