[討論] Reddit 棒球版討論 '05 洋基隊陣容

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/18rsjrs 原標題: The 2005 Yankees roster was insane and loaded with personality. 2005 洋基球員名單有夠狂而且充滿個性突出球員 The Big Unit leading that rotation at 41 years old 41歲的巨怪還可以在這當投手王牌 Absolutely insane. Came back to AZ two years later and had a 3.81 ERA at 43yrs old and a 3.91 ERA at 44. One of the few bright spots in the dark pit of despair that is Arizona sports. 而且兩年後回到響尾蛇，分別在43與44歲投出 3.81 與 3.91 ERA 在AZ運動黑暗時期的少數亮點 One of the more amusing aspects of this roster full of vets on the downslope chasing rings is that former Yankee and fellow downslope vet El Duque won a ring that year when he helped the Sox absolutely truck everyone in the postseason. 有意思的是洋基想靠這群走下坡的老球員拿冠軍，但因為太老而沒續約的 Orlando Hernández 卻帶著白襪奪冠。 Imagine telling your fans you have Johnson, Brown and Mussina but then telling them it’s 2005 haha 想像一下對粉絲公布隊上有RJ, Kevin Brown, Mussina。但已經是2005了。 This team has the 2nd most career WAR of any team ever - only the 1928 A's have more. That team blended new stars Lefty Grove, Al Simmons, Jimmie Foxx and Mickey Cochrane with cameo appearances from aging veterans Eddie Collins, Tris Speaker and Ty Cobb. Both of these teams, if everyone were in their primes, would be projected to easily break the seasonal wins record. 這支球隊擁有有史以來第二多的生涯WAR——只有1928年的運動家擁有更多。 當時隊上有 Lefty Grove, Al Simmons, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Cochrane, Eddie Collins, Tris Speaker, Ty Cobb 如果每個人都處於巔峰，這兩支球隊預計將輕鬆打破單季勝場記錄。 Probably behind the 2024 dodgers 但都不會比2024道奇強 These names bring a special youthful nostalgic driven rage to my chest. Edit: except for Mark Bellhorn, you legend, you. 紅襪迷: 看到這些人就讓我懷念年輕時的憤青心情 (但不包含英雄 Mark Bellhorn) I’m 30. This roster and a couple years prior is why everyone I knew were Yankees fans. As a kid they were a blast 我30歲了，這名單就是當時我朋友都支持洋基的原因。 Honestly I might even prefer the 2006 Yankees lineup. Playoffs they had Giambi DHing, Sheffield at 1B, Damon in CF, and Bobby Abreu in RF 我比較喜歡2006洋基季後賽陣容： DH Giambi, 1B Sheffield, CF Damon, RF Bobby Abreu I think the 2006 lineup was jokingly called "murderers row, plus Cano." 我都開玩笑說那是 "無差別屠殺打線，包含 Cano" More like loaded with old men 只是一群老人罷了 Yankees led the league both in batter age, at 32.4, and pitcher age, at 34.2. Their games also lasted the longest, at an average time of 3:02. 打者和投手平均年紀都是當時最大，比賽時間也最長。 Might have been loaded with old men, but even more surprisingly, those old men could still fucking bang 雖然都是老人，但他們還是很好用 From 2002 to 2007 Yankees were 1st or 2nd in runs per game every season except 2003, where they were third. The strategy of buying/trading for a bunch of old all-star hitters absolutely worked, it was the strategy of doing the same with pitchers that didn't. 除了03外，02~07洋基平均每場得分都在聯盟第一或第二。 他們的打者簽約哲學很有用，但可惜老投手不管用。 DRS rates the 2005 Yankees as the worst defensive team from 2003-present at -120 DRS, though the 04/06 teams it thinks are merely regular bad. 洋基的 2005 DRS 防守數據是2003以來所有球隊最爛的，04,06則是一般爛。 Robinson Cano was playing in the majors in 2005?? Damn, I'm old ☠ Cano 05年上大聯盟，原來我已經老了 Even with Cano...he was never that hot of a prospect but got off to a torrid start in AAA and got a shot and ran with it. Cano 都不被視為頂尖新秀，當時在3A打出成績才有機會上來。 (got a shot 打禁藥雙關XD) I have fond memories of Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown and Jaret Wright. 我對 Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown and Jaret Wright 有美好回憶 Because they stayed at IL(DL at that time) for a long time, Chien-Ming Wang got a rotation spot to prove his stuff. 因為他們在DL躺了一長串時間，王建民才有機會發光。 Miss ChienMing Wang 想念王建民 Never letting pitchers run the bases ever again 永遠別再讓投手跑壘了 I was there, Gandalf, I was there 5000 years ago. When the strength of Aaron Small and Shawn Chacon faded. (I was there meme) 那段 Aaron Small, Shawn Chacon 威力消散的時光... It was loaded on something. 充滿著...? Manny and Big Papi say Hi Manny 和老爹在對你們說 Hi That was the year when Yankees were stacked with stars but it was Aaron Small who sold his soul to devils for half a season to save the Yankees season. 雖然是全明星陣容，卻需要靠出賣靈魂的 Aaron Small 拯救洋基。 It’s so funny because in real time, RJ was crapped on for being “ awful” and not being able to handle NEW YORK CITY (in my best Pace picante voice). And now, with perspective we see the dude put up 4.1 and 3.2 fWAR at ages 41 & 42, respectively. And won 17 games each year. I guess when you put up 9.6 fWAR at 40 it changes our expectations lol. And poor guy wasn’t getting much help in that starting rotation. That lineup though… I still think Gary Sheffield is under appreciated. 雖然 RJ 在當時被媒體嫌到臭頭，但是 41 歲和 42 歲可以投出 4.1, 3.2 fwar 與 17 勝還不夠嗎?只可惜他得不到隊友支援拿下冠軍。 另外當時的 Gary Sheffield 也被低估了。 Sidenote: Randy Johnson threw 4 complete games that year, no shutouts while Mussina threw 2 CGSOs that year. So i retract my initial judgment: insane is a good word for that roster RJ完投4場, Mussina 兩次完投完封。這陣容的確很狂。 What’s the story on Aaron Small? I’ve never heard of him, but he went 10-0, so I figured he must be pretty good. I looked up his stats and this season was a major outlier. He didn’t do much the rest of his career. 有誰能介紹一下 Aaron Small 嗎? 我沒聽過他，但是那一季他 10-0 代表他很強? 但好像沒有很完整的生涯。 He was a junkballer righty who came up after a lot of time in the minors and went on a run at the right time. It wasn’t all luck and a great offense behind him - he was locating well and gutsy. But dude’s stuff was really fringy for MLB. 他原本只被期待上來吃垃圾時間，但他不單純只是靠球隊打很多分的好運投手。 當時他的球也很會跑而且很準。但可惜沒有足夠的 stuff。 Damn Chien Ming Wang, definitely wish he was healthy enough during the CC Sabathia days. That injury was the most unnecessary one for a pitcher to have 王建民可惜了。我超希望看他和 CC 一起奮戰的日子。 因為跑壘讓投手受傷實在是太糟糕了。 My favorite Mike Mussina quote, when discussing salary with Cashman and Mussina's agent, "Let's get one thing straight. You are NOT paying me less than Carl Pavano." 我最愛的 Mussina 金句(在他和 Cashman 談薪時)： "我直說了，你不會想讓我的薪水比 Carl Pavano 低吧?" It's interesting that Chacon and Wang (and kind of Wright but not really) were the only pitchers in their 20s to get significant innings that year. That team was old. Like really old. 只有 Wang 和 Chacon 兩個 20 多歲投手有能力做出貢獻 (還有那個不想提的 Wright) 真是有夠老的球隊。 -- -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 140.113.235.116 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Baseball/M.1704181075.A.330.html