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Fw: [閒聊] Polygon關於Tlous2媒體爭議的文章

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最新2020-07-02 11:11:00
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https://reurl.cc/nz35Nv 節錄一部分 前面是在講嚴格準則到底有多嚴格, 評論"準則"不能包含任何關鍵劇情敘述跟任何特別場面, 也不能任何透漏任何角色命運,這讓網站很難有所評論。 https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxqnxy/last-of-us-part-2-review vice在這篇評論中表示有些讓人難忘的場面, 但也有造成了他們對角色以及故事的興趣減少的部份, 所有人對於復仇的都像是被強迫推進的,敘事風格充滿了壓抑的淒涼與暴力。 然後就被頑皮狗給海巡到了, 覺得他們的評論不公平而且下了指導棋, 他們說雖然對話過程不是有對抗性的,但這種事情是非常不尋常的。 目前頑皮狗公關對這不表示回應。 心得:ign jp果然真大哥 Discussion about the survival horror game was also hampered by unusually restrictive embargo guidelines, which included sentences like “DO NOT include any beat-by-beat descriptions of pivotal narrative or cutscenes moments” and “DO NOT reveal the fate of ANY character or the inciting event. ” This prevented websites from discussing any specifics of the game’s story, which was tricky considering that the game reveals something surprising within its first two hours that impacts the remainder of its 20- to 30-hour journey. Curiously, at least one website, GameSpot, actually published two reviews, one without spoilers and one that dove right into those details. The latter was published after the embargo was fully lifted. Why go through such lengths, especially when the internet was flooded with half-informed takes and speculation based on what had already leaked? Control. Naughty Dog no longer steered the narrative of The Last of Us Part 2, and this was one way to try and regain control. The studio had already gone to great efforts to maintain a tight grip on what folks knew about the experience. As Kotaku reported, Naughty Dog at one point showed a fake scene during a trailer to make people believe that a character would be more present in the game than they actually were. The vibe around the game hasn’t gotten much better since then. On June 12, Vice published its review of The Last of Us Part 2, in which critic Rob Zacny said that while the game had “memorable moments” that made for great “ spectacle,” he was less taken with the story and characters. “Nobody ever reconsiders their quest for vengeance,” Zacny wrote. “Everyone acts under a kind of vindictive compulsion that goes little remarked and unexamined.” Zacny went on to describe the game’s message as complacent, full of “ oppressive bleakness and violence.” While the vast majority of reviews have lavished The Last of Us Part 2 with all sorts of praise, a handful of outlets — Polygon included — have been slightly more critical of the blockbuster game. According to Zacny, Vice’s review prompted a Sony representative to reach out on behalf of Naughty Dog. “They felt some of the conclusions I reached in my review were unfair and dismissed some meaningful changes or improvements,” Zacny told Polygon over Twitter messages. Zacny clarified that the exchange wasn’t “confrontational,” but that it was nonetheless “unusual,” as the site doesn’t typically have big publishers asking in an official capacity why a review reads the way it does. Such things can happen, of course, though often with smaller developers, or from publishers who have spotted a factual error in a piece that they want corrected. “I was happy to unpack a bit of my reasoning, however, and received a perfectly cordial message in response,” Zacny said. Naughty Dog’s PR team declined to comment on Polygon’s inquiry about its exchange with Vice. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 218.161.9.152 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/C_Chat/M.1593587530.A.C35.html

156 則留言

CrazyLord, 1F
現在看勢頭不對才想切割停損了嗎

louis0724, 2F
雖然早知道一定有摸頭 但終於有媒體敢出來證明了是吧

ray1478953, 3F
這家不是本來就是少數說實話的

jensheng09, 4F
不能透漏 = 打最高分 低能邏輯 低能媒體

dnek, 5F
sjw式評論,我准你寫的才能寫

dustlike, 6F
這樣看來IGN日本根本不甩頑皮狗給的限制耶

dustlike, 7F
以續作而言的劇情問題都寫出來了

poke001, 8F
所以頑皮狗還可以指導評測該怎麽寫阿XD

lomorobin, 9F
笨蛋都看得出來有摸頭,承不承認而已,索皇的上意就是

lomorobin, 10F
不准談劇情,所以媒體的10/10就是指劇情以外的部分。

RoaringWolf, 11F
分數順便要求只能打10分吧

charmingpink, 12F
我看過沒問題才能評分

loveangel718, 13F
這家不是氣到沒打分嗎? 還是我記錯家

poke001, 14F
這樣連給的分數都能指導我看也不意外
※ 轉錄者: carotyao (218.161.9.152 臺灣), 07/01/2020 15:17:31
※ 編輯: carotyao (218.161.9.152 臺灣), 07/01/2020 15:17:43

Bigcookie2, 15F
日本不是很吃歐美遊戲那套 所以沒再怕的

Bigcookie2, 16F
再怎樣的歐美神作在日本都贏不了日本遊戲

zzz54666, 17F
我覺得數字應該要在再加10才可以評論

Bigcookie2, 18F
也許是這樣 所以敢放出不同聲音吧 猜猜看而已...

Bigcookie2, 19F
到底實際狀況如何 沒人會知道 也沒人會承認

Bigcookie2, 20F
等10年後再看看有沒有八卦吧

moswu, 21F
所以不能評論關鍵劇情還能打分數?

dieorrun, 22F
IGN JP就背後夠大啊 還有SIE在日本的話語權沒以前大了

PTTfaggot, 23F
這就是話語霸權啦 !

LiNcUtT, 24F
IGN JP後面的大咖是哪家啊?

LiNcUtT, 25F
我記得不只一間媒體表示過IGN JP的評測沒被擋下來很意外

MrDisgrace, 26F
日本感覺是翻譯的時間差 還在開會討論評翻譯發給誰XD

LiNcUtT, 27F
說是評測內容明顯超越NDA限制的範圍了

alanjiang, 28F
怎麼那麼多歡樂的新聞XD

MESSIJACK, 29F
真有趣

dieorrun, 30F
後面就產經阿 還是比較偏右的媒體

xiaoxiao, 31F
這是媒體自己沒扛住遊戲開發商壓力阿,媒體自己串連抵制

xiaoxiao, 32F
抗議吧,不然都已經洩漏劇情了還護航10/10,事後又被證

xiaoxiao, 33F
實被唾棄

strray, 34F
不知道國內媒體有沒有被施壓 要不要出來說明一下啊

tsairay, 35F
他們會說沒施壓..但我看八成有利誘

tsairay, 36F
也不需要用金錢...關係良好就是一種利誘

charmingpink, 37F
完了 又一家媒體不能搶先試玩sony新遊戲了

guolong, 38F
IGNjp站著把錢掙了

dieorrun, 39F
國內馬都接近自媒體的小媒體 光是不給你提前試玩就夠重

henryyeh0731, 150F
中國前陣子才鬧了個大聖歸來,收買媒體寫手三流生

henryyeh0731, 151F
還者可不是第一個www

GUMIGUMI, 152F
RDR2有拿白金了,是真的很好玩啊,白金照一定要在亞瑟

GUMIGUMI, 153F
墓前拿

GUMIGUMI, 154F
亞瑟掛掉劇情鋪程比喬爾好太多了
※ 編輯: carotyao (218.161.9.152 臺灣), 07/01/2020 23:44:48

widec, 155F
講到RDR2白金 我就想到我一直打不到卡羅萊納長尾鸚鵡卡關

pokiman, 156F
RDR2劇情好太多了印地安人際遇那種揪心亞瑟的贖罪之旅都

pokiman, 157F
很感人

AxAy, 158F
RDR2白金+1,查了下卡羅萊納長尾鸚鵡好像跟瓜馬島不計入獎盃

AxAy, 159F
不過圖鑑100%是真的很有成就XD

z7956234, 160F
10/10

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