[新聞] 第三方App動畫在iPhone 13 Pro只能到60Hz

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作者 awerte
時間 2021年09月25日
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最下方有翻譯總結 1.原文連結: https://bit.ly/3CKhzuF 2.原文標題: 第三方App動畫在iPhone 13 Pro上最高只能用60Hz更新率 Third-party apps limited to 60Hz animations on iPhone 13 Pro 3.原文來源(媒體/作者): 9to5mac/Benjamin Mayo 4.原文內容: Update: Apple has officially responded that some of the behaviours described bel ow are the result of an OS bug. Full support for 120Hz in third-party apps is co ming soon. Original story below. One of the biggest new features exclusive to the iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max this year is the inclusion of high-refresh rate displays, or what Apple cal ls “ProMotion.” That means the iPhone 13 Pro models feature new OLED displays that can refresh t heir screen content at up to 120 times per second, or 120Hz. However, developers receiving their phones today have discovered that, in many circumstances, their animations can only run at 60Hz — the same as the cheaper iPhone 13 and iPhone 13 mini, as well as prior iPhone generations. As it stands with iOS 15.0, ProMotion takes effect in third-party apps when scro lling or doing full-screen transitions. That means that you will still get a ver y fluid and responsive experience when scrolling your Twitter timeline, for inst ance. However, almost all other animations are capped at 60Hz in third-party apps. Thi s includes special effects and animations for custom components. It can be parti cularly jarring for the same third-party app to feature smooth scrolling but the n less-smooth interaction experience elsewhere. Developer of the Apollo Reddit c lient Christian Selig has already reported complaints about this from his custom ers. A workaround hidden plist-key has been discovered that lifts the limit for Scene Kit and SpriteKit based applications, and Dice by PCalc developer James Thomson is currently seeing if it will pass App Review. However, most animations in iOS apps are driven by the Core Animation framework and remain limited to 60Hz, even in the presence of this special undocumented plist entry. Interestingly, these limits do not apply to third-party apps running on the iPad Pro, which has featured a 120Hz display since 2017. Apple appears to have specially carved out these restrictions for the new iPhone models. One source suggested that this had been implemented for battery life re asons. However, we don’t know for sure if that is the case. Perhaps more conspiratorially, examination of iOS 15 code indicates that only th ird-party apps are being constrained. Code in the OS exempts first-party Apple a pps and allows them to run at full 120Hz animation speed all the time. Apple touts ProMotion on the iPhone as an adaptive system that ramps up and ramp s down depending on what the user is doing. For instance, if the screen is dorma nt, the phone can lower itself to a 10Hz refresh rate to save power. However, cu stomers and developers reasonably expected that app animations would be able to take advantage of the 120Hz hardware for super fluid animations, just like they can get with scrolling. Apple’s apps certainly seem allowed to do just that, as all apps can on the iPad Pro, but not third-party apps on the iPhone 13. It’s still possible this is all just a bug in the 15.0 implementation, but it s adly seems unlikely in the presence of the code evidence. We’ve contacted Apple about this situation for clarification and will update if we hear back. 5.心得/評論: 簡短翻譯如下 部份App開發人員發現第三方軟體上的特效與動畫只能上到60Hz,而非120Hz,這種情況可能 令人覺得打開App會有卡頓感。與此同時,iPad Pro上卻沒有此限制 蘋果表示,所有第三方App皆可以充分利用120Hz ProMotion刷新率,但開發者需要新增新的 Info.plist key來聲明他們的App需要使用更高的幀率。相關說明文件蘋果官方會儘快釋出 然後由Core Animation framework驅動的動畫會經由後續更新使其上至120Hz更新率 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.73.199.120 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址:https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MobileComm/M.1632558445.A.810.html
1Fhyghmax1202: 我以為是我的錯覺…09/25 16:29
2Fkegybsm8167: 自適應啦 自適應09/25 16:30
3Fsincere77: 所以確定蘋果有開放只是開發者還沒更新?09/25 16:31
4Fkmwace: 這個新增的什麼key要付錢給蘋果嗎09/25 16:32
應該不用
5Fp40403: 難怪續航那麼好,原來是都60,少數9009/25 16:35
6Fforce5566: https://i.imgur.com/JBiPrcN.jpg09/25 16:36
7Frepast: 果粉會自適應的啦 大驚小怪09/25 16:36
8Fforce5566: 最速男的120hz是心靈加持?09/25 16:37
9Fhyghmax1202: 要120Hz還要蘋果同意 說好最沒有個割裂感的蘋果呢09/25 16:37
不用蘋果同意,按蘋果解釋,開發者後續更新就可以上到120Hz
10Ffuyu1112: 最速男玩的是測試版遊戲 應該有先開吧09/25 16:38
目前外媒只有說「動畫」、特效,一般的更新率不知道有沒有受限
11Faegis43210: 難怪續航成績那麼好,明明是和S21U相同技術09/25 16:51
12Fpeter700: 標題誤導09/25 17:03
哪裡誤導?請說 標題的單字國中生都懂吧,也不用我來誤導
13Fmax005: 原來是使用者的眼睛也跟著自適應XD09/25 17:03
14Ffrfreedom: 特效和動畫 不包含基礎的捲動 自己去店裡開FB那些09/25 17:07
15Ffrfreedom: 滑就知道09/25 17:07
16Fbenedict76: 所以我面文章被噓的莫名其妙,難道外媒也不懂自適應09/25 17:08
17Fbenedict76: ? 09/25 17:08
「原生」App的確支援120Hz
18Flongtimens: 某B你被噓根本活該,這是第三方,你po的是原生 09/25 17:11
19Fpiyopiyolee: 沒關係,果粉都有自適應眼睛09/25 17:12
20Fbattlewind: 安卓的第三方也不是都支援120hz吧09/25 17:14
21Fs213092921: 省電節能 09/25 17:17
22Fthree88720: 感覺只是第三方沒有適配好而已,畢竟i13pro是iphone09/25 17:22
23Fthree88720: 系列第一次加入120hz的手機09/25 17:22
24Fthree88720: 過一陣子應該就ok了09/25 17:22
25Faegis43210: 過一陣子再測續航會更明確 09/25 17:23
26Frinppi: 被噓很正常啊 跑來這篇又被打臉一次… 09/25 17:24
27Fwandy780131: ai 大濕永遠都是對的!09/25 17:24
28Flastpost: 就有些app還沒支援120阿 講的好像全部的app都没有09/25 17:29
本篇文沒有說過全部,只說第三方App。 也沒有說完全無法支援120Hz,只說動畫無支援 另外標題就是這樣寫,我也沒辦法QQ
29Fbenedict76: 不是有些沒有,是ios把動畫都鎖60hz,打開app的動畫 09/25 17:34
30Fbenedict76: 12pro跟13pro慢動作下看不出差異。09/25 17:34
※ 編輯: awerte (114.137.61.210 臺灣), 09/25/2021 17:35:27
31Fdan512215: 高級產品 廠廠 09/25 17:35
32Flongtimens: 臉被打不膩,版主,什麼時候給他警告啊 09/25 17:36
33FSaberMyWifi: 更新後就解決的東西,當初安卓上120時也很多app要 09/25 17:37
34FSaberMyWifi: 更新後支援,甚至到現在還有沒120的app,哀鳳13是 09/25 17:37
35FSaberMyWifi: 把某些人打到失憶了嗎? 09/25 17:37
36Fhzero0228: 應該會有人想破解這限制吧 09/25 17:37
37Fqazws931: 浮木...又沉了...可粘哪 09/25 17:38
38Fawerte: 用不著破解,後續更新後就會支援 09/25 17:38
39Fklayjohnson: 我去年買s20+一開始也沒有全部app都120hz啊 09/25 17:38
40Fscropio1190: 果粉最愛講蘋果要放就會放優化好的功能 結果被打臉 09/25 17:39
41Fscropio1190: 就狂拉安卓來救援 真的不需要這麼雙標欸 09/25 17:39
42Fwadeawp: 急啥 後續就會推出了啊 09/25 17:39
43Fa3619453: 打開app的動畫並不在這篇文講的範圍內,舊的跟新的 09/25 17:39
44Fa3619453: 是有差異的並沒有被鎖60Hz 09/25 17:39
45Fwadeawp: 急著高潮幹嘛== 要黑又不是沒其他的點 09/25 17:40
46Fa3619453: APP內的捲動也是沒有被鎖60,應該指的是一些APP會 09/25 17:43
47Fa3619453: 有自己的動畫(例如FB的按讚動畫)才會因為沒更新有被 09/25 17:43
48Fa3619453: 鎖的情況,見縫插針不可取 09/25 17:43
49Fsquare4: 1.水果沒搞出api 2.新機剛發布,開發者還沒適配;硬 09/25 17:45
50Fsquare4: 體上支持,軟體上尊重開發者,應該不會強行補幀,畢 09/25 17:45
51Fsquare4: 竟都沒強制統一返回手勢了 09/25 17:45
52Fs00126: 各位又要高潮然後事後被打臉了嗎XDDD 09/25 17:48
53Fs00126: 要鞭也等過一段時間,13才剛出欸 09/25 17:48
54Fbenedict76: 因為有人拿工程版說測試不準解釋被某些人噴爆啊!現 09/25 17:51
55Fbenedict76: 在市售版就是有問題跟剛出有什麼關係。IOS 15 也是f 09/25 17:51
56Fbenedict76: inal release又不是beta。 09/25 17:51
57Foread168: 等更新吧,android剛開始很多機種google map也是鎖 09/25 17:52
58Foread168: 60後來滿多都解了 09/25 17:52
59FskyHuan: 上一篇很大聲的果粉怎麼全都安靜下來了 09/25 18:01
60Fohmylove347: 還好吧,不就api還沒開而已 09/25 18:03
61Ftrywish: 也是要東西支援,剛用超慢速攝影,可以看到13掃描的 09/25 18:19
62Ftrywish: 黑線比較多,滑動換頁也多幾個話格。但撥放youtube 09/25 18:20
63Ftrywish: 就看不出差異了。 09/25 18:20
64Fas7766332211: 才剛上市欸 等三個月再來吧 09/25 18:22
65Fcevs: 果粉:who car 09/25 18:26
66Fohmylove347: 現在是真的別笑,當初安卓也是要跟系統要權限之類的 09/25 18:30
67Fohmylove347: ,這種東西根本不會太久,有玩過開發就知道弄那個幾 09/25 18:30
68Fohmylove347: 行就搞定了 09/25 18:30
69Fj900802f: 就蘋果120hz剛上市 app開發者還沒更新而已吧? 09/25 18:34
70Fbenedict76: app開發商早在安卓120hz就有改了,又不是說iPhone先 09/25 18:36
71Fbenedict76: 上app開發商還來不及。 09/25 18:36
72FoTQTo: 好了啦卓粉 就說會釋出更新了 最近被打到終於找到 09/25 18:36
73FoTQTo: 喘息機會了嗎 09/25 18:36
74Flongtimens: 他到底有什麼問題啊 有人知道原因嗎? 09/25 18:37
75Fbenedict76: 熱點也是說會更新但是更新多久才好,呵呵 09/25 18:37
76Flongtimens: 是受了什麼刺激 寧可當個小丑也要當狂熱果黑 09/25 18:39
77Fubike5566: 講A扯B 卓粉水準不意外 09/25 18:39
78Fohmylove347: iOS和android開發完全不一樣啊… 09/25 18:39
79Fededws1: 不就只是還沒更新 09/25 18:45
80Fs3111833: 所以jptt有更新了嗎? 09/25 19:02
81Fs3111833: 昨天拿到到現在幾乎滿多app都是120hz, 09/25 19:02
82Fs3111833: 在想裡面提到的應該是客製作動畫的部分? 09/25 19:02
83Fa3619453: to樓上,是的 09/25 19:56
84Fseanflower: 反正用不到啦 只有測試會啟動 09/25 20:34
85Fseanflower: 滑滑設定畫面之類的 09/25 20:34
86FMimmature: 不是啦 看新聞說法是iPad 有開iPhone 沒開 09/26 00:23
87FMimmature: 所以是蘋果有動一點手腳才要第三方另外設定 09/26 00:23
88Fkouta: 不會吧 有人覺得apk ipa可共用? 09/26 01:18
89Fsyensyens: 第三方的意思不懂麻煩查個字典好嗎! 09/26 10:33
90FWiLLSTW: 我覺得這問題蠻怪的 原本ipad就有120hz了照理來說 09/26 12:03
91FWiLLSTW: 應該是上iPhone那就可以直接套用 但是還要特別改 09/26 12:03
92FWiLLSTW: plist感覺是刻意卡這個搞開發商 09/26 12:04
93Faiyowaya: 明年的才會有啦 都嘛這樣重新定義才好玩啊 09/26 13:14
94FDemonElf: 突破盲點,120hz又不是真的現在才有 09/26 18:25

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