Re: [閒聊] 電競耶穌評RX7600: 一團糟

※ 引述《se8328 (伏斯費姆約)》之銘言： : 影片連結： : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCxYfXe1DAA : 嘴砲翻譯就靠另一位板友了 : 總之Intel Arc或成最大贏家！！ : 我來了 然後下次拜託不要亂下標題 一團糟指的是AMD公司本身，不是7600 晚上文章打到一半手機WIFI斷線 還沒存檔全部不見 氣死= = 直接改用學校網路不管了 大部分的重點已經被letitflame大講完了 我就烤些三分熟的肉 順便照慣例貼數據整理 先上數據 https://i.imgur.com/jQx48yj.png 平手打個*號是代表平均幀輸6600XT 但1%Low贏過 差距小於5%的 我改用幀數比較 其實就是差異基本無感 然後控制一樣會出現圖形材質異常 接下來是內文的部分 先說整體摘要 GN花了很大篇幅敘述AMD這次發佈非常倉促 溝通過程有很多問題 產品效能跟性價比部分 7600表現還行吧 中規中矩 但GN的結論是建議再等一個月看4060出來長怎樣 反正最差就是多等一個月才入手 現在GPU不難買 不像30系礦潮 不搶首發就沒機會 接著就只貼一些我認為值得翻譯的原文 ★0:00 Our problem with all of this is if AMD suddenly loses confidence like that before anyone even knows this thing officially exists, only through rumor, and if AMD can't properly communicate the launch dates, the multiple embargoes, its partners don't know what's going on either. They gave us the wrong date at least twice. The partners were distributed the wrong drivers that were months old, the drivers still had bugs. The whole thing's a mess. 我們對AMD的問題是如果他在產品發佈前突然對自己失去信心 又無法好好的溝通發佈日、多個禁止事項的話 那他的合作夥伴(板廠、媒體)也無從得知現在到底什麼情況 AMD給我們至少兩次錯的日期 給合作夥伴提供錯誤的、有bug的舊驅動 這整件事就是一團亂 這邊要注意耶穌說有問題的驅動是指舊的 耶穌他們拿來測數據的驅動是ok的 所以最新的媒體驅動應該是沒有問題的 至少GN沒有提到 letitflame大你說的第6項驅動還是有問題 這點可能要再確認一下 ★4:43 We just wish AMD could get it together long enough to stop shooting itself in one foot with its CPU to motherboard partner communications, and then shooting itself on the other foot with its GPU to partner communications. This is like…it's what AMD always does. The communication from AMD has been dismal lately. It's bad with the CPUs as we've seen, and it's bad with the GPUs. And this is incredibly abusive for how they treat their board partners, who they rely on to sell their parts, and how they treat the media reviewing their products. And it is therefore indirectly bad for consumers, because what it does is [that] it puts all of us in a position where we cannot possibly perform our best work and do our best analysis and best job, if the price is changing with no notice whatsoever in a way that influences the conclusions. So it forces us to come to conclusions faster than we'd like to. 我們希望AMD可以提供夠長的時間把資訊整理好 而不是在CPU方面用跟板廠的爛溝通絆自己一腳 又在GPU這邊再絆自己另一腳 (有請豹紋支援棍子卡腳踏車輪自摔梗圖) AMD近期的溝通真的爛到有剩 CPU方面多爛我們已經看到了 現在則是GPU方面 AMD對待板廠們的方式(呼來喚去的溝通處理)實在有夠糟糕 根本是霸凌 明明AMD需要依賴他們來賣產品 對待媒體也是同理 而這點對消費者間接來說是件壞事 因為這使我們媒體無法發揮最好的準備 做最好的分析 如果定價改變的令人如此措手不及 那將迫使我們必須急促的下結論，這並非我們樂見的 ★23:46 AMD obviously was in no way ready to launch this product. It panicked, it pulled the trigger, it clearly didn't plan any of this, and everything they've communicated to us shows that this was not meant to launch today now. AMD很明顯地完全沒有準備好發佈RX 7600 他恐慌了 並隨之促下決定 而且顯然沒有規劃要做這一切 他向我們展示的溝通處理說明了這產品根本不該是現在發佈 AMD at this point needs to be rushed to the hospital to have an emergency extraction of its foot from its mouth because they were on Twitter just two months ago boasting of having more than 8GB of VRAM and knocking Nvidia; and here they are with 8GB of VRAM, a 128-bit bus, and a card that although it performs kind of okay, is now priced questionably because of its own action. Although the price change is a good thing, it's what it signals to us that's concerning. In other words, what did we overlook in this review process, and what we overlooked is AMD probably knows a lot more about the 4060 than we do. I'm sure there's some sort of information they have, or they looked at it, and they said "Oh, shit. We need to drop the price." And that's how we get here. AMD現在需要趕去醫院急診把塞在自己嘴裡的腳給拔出來(打自己臉超腫) 因為他兩個月前才在推特嘴老黃 說A卡有比8G更大的VRAM真棒 然後現在也端出8GB 128bit的規格 雖然卡本身效能表現還行 但它的定價會因為AMD自己的言行而被質疑(降價這事不單純) 換句話說 做評測的我們少看見了什麼： 或許是AMD比我們知道更多有關4060的事情 我很確定AMD應該是得知了一些4060的資訊 然後發現 喔幹我們必須要降價競爭 因此大家才會走到今天這步 結語： 定位方面 跟其他卡的對比 大家可以自己拉影片的圖看數據 基本上AMD現在最大的競爭者反而是自己的6700XT 全新卡現在大約300鎂出頭 滿香的 再來就是i皇ARC 以上這點 耶穌跟LTT的看法一致 總之 #反觀 隔壁老黃4060Ti浪費沙子 吃相難看 A i只要表現不要太離譜就是正面宣傳了XD 至於該不該買 Linus的結論稍微積極一點 說7600值得考慮入手 耶穌則是要大家耐心等4060出來再看情況 不過對產品本身也沒有負面評語就是了 整篇嘴砲的是AMD的溝通操作 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 140.112.217.58 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/PC_Shopping/M.1684954087.A.AF1.html